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Ken and Mike dive deep into the world of metrics and measurement in the context of security and DevSecOps. They explore the critical role metrics play in driving security improvements, from tracking vulnerabilities to gauging the effectiveness of incident response. The hosts discuss what makes a good metric, the importance of aligning metrics with business goals, and the dangers of relying too heavily on numbers alone. They also tackle the challenges of quantifying "squishy" aspects like culture and training effectiveness. Whether you're a seasoned security professional or just getting started, this episode offers valuable insights into the art and science of measurement in security

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Ken and Mike discuss the importance of postmortems in incident response and security incidents. They explore the definition of postmortems, the value of reflection, the challenges of blame, and the significance of actionable outcomes. They also touch on the transparency of postmortems and the need for root cause analysis. The conversation concludes with a brief announcement about an upcoming conference series.

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Ken and Mike discuss supply chain security, including software composition analysis (SCA) and software bill of materials (SBOM). They highlight the importance of understanding the components that make up your software and the risks associated with using third-party libraries. They also discuss recent supply chain failures, such as the XZ library hack and the SolarWinds attack. The hosts emphasize the need for organizations to stay up to date with software patches and to consider the security of commercial off-the-shelf software. They caution against placing too much focus on any one security tool or approach, including SBOM, and instead advocate for a well-rounded approach to security.